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Kashrlyyk · Feb 27, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by hallomik

If Wikipedia is to be believed, GW is the 11th best selling game of all time. And all people can say is that it hasn't sold as much as WOW and Lineage?

No it is not the 11th. All 3 games plus the expansion are the 11th. But each one has an average sales number of 1.25 million. So the list is BS!

Darkobra · Feb 27, 2008, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And Doom 3 kicked ass, by the way. I was so tense, scared and nervous when I reached Delta Labs that I had to turn off my computer. Awesome times >: )

I was quite disappointed with Doom 3. It went from "Is there a demon behind there? Is there a trap with fire waiting for me?" to "Kill a hundred demons and see a terrible ending!"

It went from tension from the edge of your seat to your typically older Doom games, where you knew where demons were and had to rain fire on them.

Still, the early setting was fun. My style of play is accuracy at long range over power at short range, so having a demon jump at me made me jump back and rain pistol shells down on them.

arsie · Feb 27, 2008, 08:58 AM // 08:58

The real shock is how many copies of Cossacks:European Wars got sold. Just amazing!

I think WoW spent millions of dollars on marketing prior to launch. That makes a huge difference in sales numbers, but also eats into their profits.

captain_carter · Feb 27, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

that's a pretty fast increase from 3 to 5, well done Anet

Avarre · Feb 27, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

And how many of those units are people buying all four chapters?

Threads merged, too.

arcanemacabre · Feb 27, 2008, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Avarre

And how many of those units are people buying all four chapters?

Wel, exactly, but I don't see anyone disputing that point. Between my wife and I, we have purchase 10 games - the full 4 for each of us, and a secondary account with 2 games. If I had to guess, I would bet 4 games per person is the average, with some having only 1 or 2, and others with 10+. Total players? Maybe upwards of around 1.2 mil. Active players? Probably right at a mil, which is still decent.

Gun Pierson · Feb 27, 2008, 11:22 AM // 11:22

Gratz Anet! Especially when you think about the fact they were practically unknown and didn't have publicity like Blizzard with WoW.

hallomik · Feb 27, 2008, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I just wanted to respond to the notion that GW is not notably successful as an MMO.

Do you know how many MMO's have been released or are in development?

Here's a list of MMO's in the MMO-RPG category from Wikipedia:

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2Moons - Sprite Fantasy
9Dragons - 3D Chinese Martial Arts Adventure
A Tale in the Desert - 3D Non-combat
Active Worlds — 3D Virtual Reality
Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures — (under development) 3D Fantasy
Aion:The Tower of Eternity - (under development) Fantasy
Alganon - (under development) 3D Fantasy
Anarchy Online — 3D Science fiction
ArchLord — 3D Fantasy
Armada Online — (Under development - alpha test) Science fiction
Ashen Empires — 2D-Isometric Fantasy
Asheron's Call — 3D Fantasy
Asheron's Call 2 — (shut down 2005) 3D Fantasy
Auto Assault (shut down Aug 31, 2007) — Science fiction Vehicular combat
AWplanet — 3D Science Fiction.
Cabal Online — 3D
Cartoon Network Universe: FusionFall - 3D
City of Heroes — 3D, Comic book universe (combines with City of Villains)
City of Villains — 3D, Comic book universe (combines with City of Heroes)
Clan Lord — Sprite
Conquer Online — Sprite, Mythical China
Corum Online - 3D
Cronous - 3D
Crossgate — Sprite
Dark Age of Camelot — 3D Fantasy Arthurian/Celtic/Norse mythology
Dark Ages — Sprite Fantasy Celtic mythology
Dark and Light — 3D
Darkeden — Sprite Horror
Darkfall — (under development) 3D Fantasy
DECO Online — 3D Fantasy
Diaspora (computer game) - 2D Space Trading Game
Digimon World Online — (under development) 3D Digimon universe
Dofus - 2D fantasy, made in flash.
Dragon Ball Online - (under development) 3D Dragon Ball universe
Dragon Raja — 2D Fantasy
DragonRealms - Text-Based, Real Time
Dransik — 2D Retro Fantasy
Dream of Mirror Online - 3D Chinese mythology
Dungeons & Dragons Online: Stormreach — 3D Dungeons & Dragons universe (3.5 Ruleset)
Dungeon Runners — 3D
Earth & Beyond — (shutdown 2004) 3D Science fiction
Earth Eternal — 3D Medieval Fantasy
The Empire of Martial Heroes — (previously DO Online) 3D
Empire of Sports - 3D Sports game (beta)
Eternal Lands — 3D Medieval Fantasy (under development, beta)
Eternal Wars — 2D Fantasy
Eudemons Online — 3D Fantasy
EVE Online — 3D Science fiction, space vehicle piloting
EverQuest — 3D Fantasy
EverQuest II — 3D Fantasy (sequel to Everquest)
EverQuest Online Adventures — 3D (Playstation 2 only; prequel to Everquest)
Face of Mankind — 3D Science fiction
Fallen Earth — (under development) 3D Post apocalyptic
Fiesta — (open beta) 3D
Final Fantasy XI — 3D Final Fantasy universe (Multiplatform: PC, Playstation 2, Xbox 360)
Fly For Fun — 3D Fantasy
Frontier 1859 — (under development) Historical American Old West
Furcadia
Fury — 3D PvP-based Fantasy
Gekkeiju Online — 3D
Gemstone IV - Text based, real time
Ghost Online - 2D Side Scrolling
Gods & Heroes: Rome Rising — (canceled 10/17/2007) Olympian mythology/Historical multiple character control
Granado Espada — 3D Age of Exploration/Fantasy multiple character control
Guild Wars — 3D
Helbreath — Sprite
Hellgate: London
Hero online — 3D Chinese mythology
Hero's Journey — (under development) 3D
The Hooded Gunman - text turn-based historical ("The Troubles", Irish para-militarism)
Horizons: Empire of Istaria — 3D Fantasy
Infinity: The Quest for Earth - (under development) 3D Science Fiction; spaceship simulator
Irth Worlds — 3D
Jumpgate: The Reconstruction Initiative — Science fiction
KAL-Online — 3D Fantasy
Knight Online — 3D Fantasy
The Legend of Ares — (under development) 3D
The Legend of Mir 2 — Sprite
The Legend of Mir 3 — Sprite (sequel to Legend of Mir 2)
Legends of Future Past - text based
Lila Dreams - (under development) Sprite
Lineage — Sprite Fantasy
Lineage II — 3D Fantasy (sequel to Lineage)
Lineage III - (under development) NCsoft (sequel to Lineage II)
The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar — 3D Middle Earth Fantasy
Lunia - (open beta)
Mabinogi — 3D Fantasy
MapleStory — 2D sidescrolling
Marvel Universe Online - (under-development) Marvel Universe
The Matrix Online — 3D The Matrix Universe
Meridian 59 — 3D
Minions of Mirth — 3D
Monato Esprit - (under development) 3D Fantasy
MU Online — 3D Medieval Fantasy
Mythos - 3D
Neocron and Neocron 2 — 3D Cyberpunk
Nexus: The Kingdom of the Winds — Sprite Korean mythology
Nostale - (Currently Open beta) - 3D
Perfect World — 3D
Pirates of the Burning Sea — 3D, Historical
Pirates of the Caribbean Online — 3D, Pirates of the Caribbean　quasi-historical
PlaneShift — (under development, beta) 3D
Popomundo - Music industry
Priston Tale - 3D
Ragnarok Online — Sprite Norse/mixed mythology
Ragnarok Online 2 — (under development, open beta) 3D (sequel to Ragnarok Online)
Ran Online — 3D Campus adventure fantasy
Rappelz — 3D Fantasy
Realm Fighter — 3D Fantasy (unrealeased)
Regnum Online — 3D Medieval fantasy
The Realm Online — Sprite-based graphics
RF Online — 3D Science Fiction/Fantasy
Risk Your Life - 3D Fantasy
ROBLOX - 3D World Building
Roma Victor — 3D Roman Empire Historical
ROSE Online — 3D Fantasy
Rubies of Eventide — 3D Fantasy
RuneScape — 3D Medieval Fantasy
The Saga of Ryzom — 3D Science Fantasy
The Secret World — (under development) Modern setting, 3D
Seal Online — 3D Fantasy
Shadowbane — 3D Fantasy
Shadow of Legend — Fantasy MMORPG
Shenmue Online — (under development) 3D Modern setting
Shot-Online — 3D Golf MMORPG
Silkroad Online — 3D Historical Eurasia
Soul of the Ultimate Nation — 3D Fantasy
Space Cowboy Online — 3D Science Fiction, spaceship combat (Website down, the game is gone)
Spellborn - (under development) 3D Fantasy
Star Trek Online — (under development) Science fiction
Star Wars Galaxies — 3D Science fiction Star Wars universe
Stargate Worlds — (under development) 3D, Science fiction Stargate universe
StarQuest Online — (under development, Beta) Science fiction
Stendhal — (under development, released) Sprite Fantasy
Supreme Destiny — Fantasy
Tabula Rasa, 3D Science Fiction
A Tale in the Desert — 3D Ancient Egypt Historical
Tales of Eternia Online — Sprite-based graphics
Tales of Pirates - 3D
Tantra Online — 3D Hindu mythology
The 4th Coming — Sprite-based graphics Fantasy
True Fantasy Live Online - (cancelled)
Tibia — Sprite Fantasy
Toontown Online — 3D Disney Cartoon setting
Trickster Online — 2D
Ultima Online
Urban Dead - HTML/text-based zombie game
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning — (under development, in beta) 3D Warhammer Fantasy universe
Westward Journey — Sprite
World of Warcraft — 3D Warcraft universe
World War II Online - 3D Historical WWII battlefield
Wurm Online — 3D Medieval Fantasy
Xiah - 3D Martial Arts Fantasy
Yogurting - 3D Anime School Fantasy
Yulgang - 3D Fantasy based on Korean comic (also known as Scions of Fate)

If Guild Wars is just doing OK in this category, more than 2 of the games from this list (Lineage and WOW) would be clearly more popular than Guild Wars. Here is the opportunity for the naysayers to tell us all the other MMO RPG's that are bigger hits than Guild Wars.

Gratz again Anet.

isamu kurosawa · Feb 27, 2008, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

No it is not the 11th. All 3 games plus the expansion are the 11th. But each one has an average sales number of 1.25 million. So the list is BS!

As long as the games run on a single client they are a single game. Buying campaigns gives you additional access to a single game under the title of "Guild Wars". so listing units sold of guild wars is accurate.

Cacheelma · Feb 27, 2008, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by hallomik

I just wanted to respond to the notion that GW is not notably successful as an MMO.

Do you know how many MMO's have been released or are in development?

Here's a list of MMO's in the MMO-RPG category from Wikipedia:

If Guild Wars is just doing OK in this category, more than 2 of the games from this list (Lineage and WOW) would be clearly more popular than Guild Wars. Here is the opportunity for the naysayers to tell us all the other MMO RPG's that are bigger hits than Guild Wars.

Gratz again Anet.

Look at the wiki list (where Sims is at no.1 and GW is somewhere in there) again. Tell me, do you see the different way of counting for WoW + other MMOs and GW?

Yeah, as I thought.

MithranArkanere · Feb 27, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Hm... 3 games, plus expansion, plus BMP... = 5.

5 million / 5 = 1 million.
Minus leavers and such... that makes around 100k...500k players.

DarkWasp · Feb 27, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Hm... 3 games, plus expansion, plus BMP... = 5.

5 million / 5 = 1 million.
Minus leavers and such... that makes around 100k...500k players.

I really don't think the BMP made near 1 milllion.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 27, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

And this is the stat sheet that says it all

Notice GW is not in that list, but, DIABLO 2 IS!

I rest my case your honor.

Nice list that means nothing. Where is the date and who are you quoting?

Congratulations on creating game worth playing.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 27, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

why do you need to remind, no one even so much as a hint that they thought it meant 5 million players in this thread. looks like another attempt at trolling

why do you spend so much time on these forums when you dont like the game?

I can answer that question, once a troll always a troll.

The Way Out · Feb 27, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

I wonder how many of the 5 million were banned!!! lol...

Congratulations Anet!!! Thank you for keeping my mind off of my boss, girlfriend, and social life!!! You rock!!!

creelie · Feb 27, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Ouchie

wow 5 mil that is exciting

how much longer do you think ne wpeople will buy GW? Seems as if most folks are winding down

I expect a moderate echo effect, of people going from GW2 into GW1 to get special skins and minipets for their characters. You think an undedicated Kuunavang is expensive NOW . . .

Plus of course there will be holdouts for a long time. Look at Everquest: EQ2 has been up for years, but there are still lots of people playing EQ1.

Anyway, grats to Anet on this milestone.

Redfeather1975 · Feb 27, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by arsie

The real shock is how many copies of Cossacks:European Wars got sold. Just amazing!

I think WoW spent millions of dollars on marketing prior to launch. That makes a huge difference in sales numbers, but also eats into their profits.

I think Blizzard's marketing was their previous games. They've been around the block and back and made lots of popular games during that time. Their fan base is huge.

Turtle222 · Feb 27, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

see gw isnt dead

Dylananimus · Feb 27, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Lol I told you Stormlord I don't take up your bad habits or IGMOisms

The truth is in the Wiki and Diablo 2 is on the list and GW isn't. That's all that matters.

Plus it took GW 4 titles to reach 5 million sales it only took Diablo 2 two.

It's expansion sold 1 million copies if you'd care to look. lol poor loser IGMO hahahaha.

Hmmm, but how much longer has Diablo 2 been out

Congrats, Anet. For a new company with a totally new game (and concept within the MMO/RPG world) you've done very well. I still love the game.

This is the way forward. The first of many. Look at WoW...they started small with much earlier games, and now have their flagship game. GW has a long way to go, but it also started a long way behind most of the other companies, so I think they can be very proud their idea of subscription free gaming - at a high standard - has done so well so far.

Tijger · Feb 27, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Turtle222

see gw isnt dead

If we were to believe the intarwebs GW would be dead long long ago, in other words, the noisy minority that posts here is not representative of sales or players, considering GW has been selling at the same pace for 4 quarters in a row.

I remember how we had threads a while back saying "Hellgate is going to kill GW" and "TR is going to kill GW" not to mention the failure that was Fury...6 months on GW has sold another million copies. Says it all, doesnt it?